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Episode Cover Photo: Ungie Davila

Title Photo: by Virgil Ortiz

Intro/Outro Music

“Tupac Lives” by John Bartmann |

*Full transcript coming soon.


Welcome to Humanitou. I’m Adam Williams, creator and host of this podcast series about humanness and creativity.

Today, I’m talking with Virgil Ortiz, an artist internationally renowned for his work in pottery, fashion and film. 

Virgil carries and propels a legacy of potters from Cochiti Pueblo, New Mexico, near Santa Fe, including that of his mother, Seferina Ortiz and grandmother, Laurencita Herrera. His work is featured in museums and galleries across the U.S., including the Smithsonian’s National Museum of the American Indian, and in Europe.

Virgil’s figurative, storytelling work in clay often is described as innovative. We’ll talk about why that is — and isn’t entirely — true. We talk about how the clay spoke to his parents and spoke to him, showing Virgil his life purpose at only 15 years old, his actual reason to live that he still trusts and follows these decades later.

We get into how his pottery is used for maintaining a long ancestral history of social commentary through art, and why it’s important to him to use his voice, and to speak out on taboo subjects, like politics, mental health and social justice, including LGBTQ rights.

He shares what contemporary two-spirit people, like RuPaul, Grace Jones, Boy George and the late Pete Burns, have to do with him, his work and his indigenous heritage.

Virgil bridges the past and the future in his work, conceptually and technologically. In the process, he keeps the history of his ancestors from being disappeared, from being erased. He educates the public, and he inspires younger generations, opening doors and mentoring them for their own work.

Here’s my conversation with the accomplished and the humble Virgil Ortiz.

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